"FEMA also been accused by former president Donald Trump, the Republican nominee, and other Republicans of not being able to respond well enough to Helene because it had diverted disaster relief funds to help migrants.

That is not true, because while FEMA administers the Shelter and Services Program, funding for it comes from a separate pot of money funded by Congress for U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

Other false claims that have circulated include that people taking federal relief money could see their land seized or that that $750 is the most they will ever get to rebuild. FEMA has pushed back against the false claims and conspiracy theories, setting up a page on its website to combat misinformation and rumors."

  • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    11
    ·
    24 hours ago

    How the fuck are people who are this STUPID allowed to own Firearms? It’s a mircale that these cavemen even know how to operate firearms. What’s next? Shooting at the Hurricane? Attacking Firefighters?

  • BigMacHole@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    21
    ·
    1 day ago

    REAL Americans who Care about One Another Just as Jesus intended THREATEN TO MURDER AID WORKERS, CALL IN BOMB THREATS TO CHILDRENS HOSPITALS and FIGHT KIDS IN SCHOOLS!

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    49
    ·
    2 days ago

    I pointed out to someone that the SSP money for helping migrants was separate from the billions in the FEMA budget.

    The response I got?

    'I don’t give a shit. We shouldn’t be spending any FEMA money on illegals and should be helping Americans instead."

    They don’t listen. They don’t care. They don’t want to know.

  • Maggoty@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    57
    ·
    2 days ago

    This motherfucker is single handedly standing up an insurgency in his own country. This is exactly the kind of shit we used to see when we were in Iraq and Afghanistan. And then we had to send armed escorts around with the polio vaccinators, malaria mitigation, and rebuilding teams that were literally looking for locals they could pay to do the job. Which of course feeds right back into the FUD about those guys actually being nefarious in some ridiculous way. This generally lasts until the insurgents get control of an area, do ridiculous shit, and get put on blast for it; or we manage to help enough people that they tell the insurgents to kick rocks.

    I’d say welcome to 2025 but we have (check notes) two and a half months left of 2024 first.

  • bitjunkie@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    39
    ·
    2 days ago

    This is stochastic terrorism and he will keep doing it because he hasn’t suffered any fucking consequences.

    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      Seriously it should be simple. Biden should tell Trump to denounce these people completely, call them the disgrace they are, ask for them to surrender to be imprisoned and if Trump doesn’t comply, he needs to be labeled officially as an enemy of the state.

      That would also make it so all that give him aid are guilty of treason.

    • desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 day ago

      on one hand I hate stupid conspiracy theorists, on the other hand terrorism shouldn’t be illegal when it only effects the feds.

  • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    48
    ·
    2 days ago

    Honestly, I really wish this administration would just deploy National Guard. If some dipshit Meal Team 6 types show up and start causing shit for FEMA, dial that up to 11 immediately.

    Start using antiterrorism measures against these assholes. Because they ARE terrorists.

    • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      I mean, not that many countries just allow various militias to form & roam around.

      It’s different if the militia is born out of a political party-ish movement with significant support within the country. In that case any action has political consequences & as such up to politically political politicians.

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      18
      ·
      2 days ago

      Exactly. “We will provide our territory with emergency relief for all who want it. You’re welcome to decide not to accept it for yourself, but not for your neighbors”.

    • dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      2 days ago

      Sadly I wasn’t wondering. Just watching the country implode very quickly, only for an equally horrifying explosion coming all too soon.

      There will be mass violence if Trump wins or loses. Far more manageable if the latter, but democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

      • tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        31
        ·
        2 days ago

        Not OP, but I guess it shows the general loss of confidence in institutions in the US. When people wanna shoot their guns at disaster relief organizations, it indicates they don’t trust anything from the government, and the feeling is more than just skepticism, it’s heinous.

  • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    142
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    Trump and Stochastic Terrorism - like peanut butter and jelly, salt and pepper, beans and rice.

    Edit: I see I (and other top level comments) have the customary downvote from the silent maga that seems to pay attention to threads like these. Thank you buddy, until I see that one downvote show up with no counterargument to be seen I feel like my comments about Trump aren’t complete.

  • Feathercrown@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    44
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    Alright bros, have fun with no hurricane support!

    Alternatively anyone caught threatening a FEMA agent should be captured and released into the hurricane by plane with no parachute

    • BiNonBi@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      32
      ·
      2 days ago

      If I may make a suggestion - with a parachute.

      With no parachute they just go down for a couple minutes. With a parachute they go up and down for hours, in the middle of a hurricane.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        2 days ago

        It’s more likely that amount of wind just rolls the parachute up and slams them into the ocean at speed.

          • Maggoty@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            2 days ago

            Thunderstorms are generally between 39 and 57, with possibilities up to around 74 in gusting. They can also produce “Down Bursts” that get to 100, but are not generally present. This does not include Tornadoes or Derechos. Hurricanes range from 74 to 153+.

            So the answer is it really depends on what kind of thunder storm he was in. Chances are on the east coast he was getting no more then 57, the big wind events are generally in the Midwest and Southwest. I’d track down a report of what the wind was, but the office that runs that website is in Asheville, NC and their website is still down.

    • eestileib@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      Threatening a federal official is already a federal crime.

      But it’s Republicans doing it so the FBI doesn’t give a shit. Hell there are probably FBI members in the militia (zero doubt local law enforcement is involved).

    • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      2 days ago

      I think a Presidential Order should be issued that someone making threats against those working for FEMA is considered terrorism. And then light up a few of these asshats if they fuck around - let them find out.

    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      20
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      Mainly because after the pr disasters of ruby ridge and then Waco, right winged militia’s grew in numbers, basically using the events as marketing materials.

      Right winged grifters love it when they are confronted, it fulfills all their fantasies about the underdog standing up to authority, and proves in their minds that they were correct the whole time.

      Since the American fascist movements have legitimized news organizations that will echo their claims, it’s extremely hard to actually crack down on them without turning them into Martyrs.

      The end result has been the federal government putting right winged extremists on the back burner for the last 30 years, allowing them to fester into the infection we know and hate today.

      • jpreston2005@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 days ago

        I think now that we’ve successfully prosecuted the Jan. 6th domestic terrorists, we can put this notion to rest. We absolutely can and should go after these nutjobs threatening federal workers.

        • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          2 days ago

          I think now that we’ve successfully prosecuted the Jan. 6th domestic terrorists, we can put this notion to rest.

          Except that the feds had their kiddy gloves on for sentencing… Out of the thousands of people there only a small percentage have caught charges that drastically change their lives, and even then not to the point of treason nor terrorism charges.

          We absolutely can and should go after these nutjobs threatening federal workers.

          I agree, but I don’t see it happening any time soon. Not when the person who led them is still considered appropriate for the highest position in the land to half of the electorate.

        • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          2 days ago

          It was successful? Many of them are still on the loose. And they are getting the lightest of sentences, when they should all be getting charged with terrorism.

        • GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          2 days ago

          While there have been successful prosecutions of the J6 terrorist, there is still an ongoing campaign to try to whitewash J6 as peaceful tourists that have been unfairly singled out due to their political affiliation. So while I agree, we do need to go after these people we there also needs to be a push to stop the gaslighting that happens

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        2 days ago

        Not even. They aren’t called up in a law and order capacity. They simply don’t have their guns or authority to arrest anyone.

      • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        2 days ago

        You are right. Maybe a much better thing would be to video them, make sure it’s good enough to identify all of them, then issue a warrant to kick open their doors at pre-dawn times, individually and when they aren’t wearing their dopey Meal Team 6 gear.

        Make sure to give the media the heads-up, too, so there is lots of humiliating footage of them being frog-marched out of their house…

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      2 days ago

      Because there’s three modes of call up for the NG. Law and order, for riots and such. Which is what your thinking of, and where they get their rifles and can arrest people. Federalization, where they generally get all of their gear and they generally go into combat overseas. And disaster response, where they only get rescue gear and no authority to arrest or shoot at anyone.

      In short they didn’t do anything because they weren’t armed and weren’t authorized to use force.

    • Funderpants @lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      23
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      I don’t know your age but chances are you were just not familiar with right wing FEMA conspiracies, because they’re ancient.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA_camps_conspiracy_theory

      Wall of text, but a good read if you have the time.

      "One of the first known references to FEMA concentration camps comes from a newsletter issued by the Posse Comitatus organization in 1982, with the warning that “hardcore patriots” were to be detained in them.[2] The prevalence of the conspiracy theory increased in line with the rise of the militia movement in the 1990s.[2] The conspiracy was part of the rhetoric of the now largely disbanded Militia of Montana. The self-styled congressional analyst David Fletcher was their spokesman and brought it up in meetings, even pointing out “United Nations Reserves” that the government was building camps for in the Northern Cascades.[13]

      A supposed FEMA camp was featured in Linda Thompson’s 1994 film America Under Siege; in reality, the “FEMA camp” was an Amtrak repair facility.[14][15] She accused the government of using “black helicopters” against patriots to prevent them from interfering with plans to establish a New World Order.[16][17][18] Following the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the conspiracy theory was discussed by the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Domestic Terrorism.[9] The theory’s inclusion in the plot of the 1998 X-Files movie showed its growing reach.[1]

      Fears of FEMA declined in the early 2000s as foreign terrorists were perceived as the major threat but the late-2000s recession and the election of Barack Obama renewed opposition among conservatives and libertarians to the federal government. Obama’s election also enabled the theory to reach more mainstream right-wing circles whereas it had previously been confined to the fringes. There was a resurgence in the militia movement, and with it a resurgence of the FEMA camps conspiracy theory[9] and a corresponding boom in the “prepper” economy.[19] Reader emails published by the magazine National Review have also promoted the theory.[3]

      Congresswoman Michele Bachmann alluded to the theory while in office,[20] as have other Republican Party politicians.[21] In December 2011 Camille Marino of the animal liberation website Negotiation is Over posted an alert on her website titled “Military Now Recruiting Guards for FEMA Domestic Detainment/Internment Camps” containing the usual warnings about the end of civil liberties and the announcement that the U.S. Army is looking for “a Few Good Totalitarians” to herd dissenters into camps.[22]

      In 2015, fears of the FEMA roundup beginning surfaced with the announcement of a domestic military training operation called Jade Helm 15. County and state officials in Texas denounced the fears[23] and the exercise was completed with no one being placed into an internment camp.[24] Also in 2015, additional speculation about the theory was stoked by retired general Wesley Clark when he called for World War II-style internment camps to be revived to combat Muslim extremism. He stated, “If these people are radicalized and they do not support the United States and they’re disloyal to the United States as a matter of principle, fine, that’s their right. It’s our right and our obligation to segregate them from the normal community for the duration of the conflict.”[25]

      According to the Las Vegas Police Department and witnesses in the weeks leading up to the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, gunman Stephen Paddock reportedly espoused right-wing anti-government and conspiratorial views, including FEMA conspiracies. He reportedly told a friend that “sometimes, sacrifices have to be made” in order to encourage the American public to arm themselves.[26][27]

      Conspiracy theorists have used the actual internment of Japanese Americans during World War II in specifically constructed camps as evidence that such a scenario has historic precedent.[2] Proponents have cited a contingency plan (Rex 84) drafted in part by U.S. Marine Colonel Oliver North calling for the suspension of the Constitution and the detainment of citizens in the event of a national crisis.[2] This was aimed at left-wing activists, not the libertarians and right-wingers generally associated with FEMA theories.[28] This has been linked to a 1970 document by Louis Giuffrida (years later, the director of FEMA) calling for the establishment of martial law in the event of an uprising by African American militants and the internment of millions of African Americans.[2]

      Alex Jones has promoted conspiracy theories about FEMA on InfoWars. In 2010, Jones produced and directed Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA, a film he claimed “conclusively proves the existence of a secret network of FEMA camps” and that “The military-industrial complex is transforming our once free nation into a giant prison camp.” In 2012, Jones linked to a story titled “List of All FEMA Concentration Camps in America Revealed” from the German UFO conspiracy website Disclose.tv.[29]"

        • Funderpants @lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 days ago

          Try this on, I had my daughter at the pool yesterday and she wandered off a bit, a lady saw her wander off from me and told her to go back with her “Papa”.

          I’m 40, lol.

            • Funderpants @lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              6
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              2 days ago

              I haven’t been exposed to that. Papa is reserved for grandfather by most folks in my region.

  • dumples@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    34
    ·
    2 days ago

    People with political incentive to make the government to look bad are actively trying to make the government helpful response worse. I hope people are seeing how dangerous Trump and these right wing nutjobs are to normal people and normal Republicans

  • br0da@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    63
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    Was it not every single Florida Republican who voted no on FEMA relief? 😅