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Remember when the internet was prviate, anonymous, cool, and had more than three websites?
Egads, I long for those days.
I’m okay with paying for Internet services if the price is right… I’m not okay with also getting milked (data mined) for profit in addition to paying.
I’m so glad that after signing up, Lemmy quickly showcased to me posts about opensource/ public alternatives for the apps/websites we normally use. It brings me such a reignited passion. In time I’m gonna change my email, cloud services, OS… Everything!
Nice. I felt the same way a few years ago and changed everything over 2 years. Best decision ever (besides having a child, that was a great decision as well.)
That’s so motivating to hear because doesn’t matter how long it takes as long as it gets done :') awesome!
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Oh, dear child, you have already succumbed, you’re part of the machine, and you don’t even know it. 😔 “This form of the Internet” == you are a consumer, passively ingesting the content created by the few, big players who gatekeep the marketplace of ideas. This is the Internet the capitalists want; you’re just grousing about the details of paying for it.
The old promise of revolutionary change on the Internet was the idea that it would be an all-to-all media, that the users would create the content, and shape the message. So if you want to fight what the Internet is becoming, stop fighting the capitalists on their own turf. They don’t care if some people pirate their stuff, as long as the money rolls in from the masses.
The best the can possibly happen if you teach everybody to pirate is to destroy the funding for content creation. Then all that will be left is the propaganda, the political ads, the messages pushed by somebody for ulterior motives. Unless…
Unless we teach the children to break that paradigm altogether. A person can live a happy life without any Hulu shows, or YouTube algorithms, or AAA games. Really. Become the creators. Leave the corporate walled gardens for the open, peer-to-peer Internet.
Or don’t. It’s hard, I know. Just don’t pretend that your Jellyfin server means you’ve broken free of the system.
Nothing personal, but the way you put things comes across as quite sensationalist and “holier than though”, mixed in with a bunch of claims that aren’t well substantiated, but simply stated as fact. I feel like if you truly cared or believed in what you were saying you wouldn’t package it in this sort of (frankly arrogant) manner.
Sometimes I write just for the fun of it, not trying to convince anybody. In this case, I was just matching the tone of the meme text.
Your comments are art.
You see it a lot here. Lofty words that sound nice but are just pulled out of the commenters ass. People love the smell of their own farts I swear.
I really don’t mind trading my money for value I receive. It doesn’t offend me.
As someone who has run businesses himself, I like being part of an economy where I can buy and sell things.
I don’t resent other people pirating stuff, and I don’t resent free services. I don’t mind donation-supported services. And I don’t mind paid services.
I guess it’s just who I am. I don’t really mind any kind of consensual economic arrangement people choose to form. Economic cooperation is economic cooperation.
I think it’s more of a “give a mouse a cookie” problem. Paying for software i use had never been an issue for me unless the fee is insane eg Photoshop or something of the sorts. Subscriptions are fine as well but we all know the price will go up and the feature load won’t or it might actually get worse. It’s not just as simple as i use it therefore i pay for it.
The problem is it becomes coercive the moment dishonest wording by marketing and the actual product is observed.
I don’t mind paying, but since I’ve set up jellyfin and the arr stack I’m getting a better service than anything you can actually buy.
I don’t want to flick between a dozen apps to see which sliver of content they’ve allowed me to view.
If subscribing and paying for services actually guaranteed ad-free, useful and complete experiences, then yes I would gladly pay. When iTunes made buying songs for a dollar easy, I paid hundreds of dollars for them, because it gave me exactly what I wanted at a fair price.
Now, when you sign up for a service, you’re still getting ads, you’re still getting paywalls around the movies and shows you really want to watch, you’re still getting your data mined and sold. You’re still paying more than you would have paid for premium, ad-free cable TV back in the old days.
It’s useless. I want to pay for good experiences and services, but they ain’t offering it.
Stop online concentration camps! Stop internet dystopian! Stop cyber dictators!
Fight for net neutrality! Fight for privacy! Fight for internet freedom!
Comparing social media to nazi Germany where jews were mass murdered? That’s extreme. 😳
I feel this in my very soul
That feeling of disappointment turns to aggression. The good kind of aggression which makes me work harder to (jail)break stuff.
Did TikTok just stop working in the browser completely? I won’t download the app, but my family sometimes send me links to it and the videos never load anymore. I thought it was my VPN.
You usually have to remove anything after the numbers and “?”, that should allow you to play it in the browser.
Seems to be so, it hasn’t worked for me in sometime.
I’m using YouTube and its music app so much that Premium feels mostly fair
For now. Maybe. But look at Prime Video, that offered services for Amazon Prime Customers. Then put stuff behind paid “channels”. Then started adding Ads to the start of a movie or episode. And it will water it down even further. Or Spotify that had ads every few songs. Then 2 ads. Then 2 very long ads. Then more ad breaks. Then You bought premium because the ads got more and more annoying. Now you are ad free. Except all the banners. Except the paid promoted Releases that get pushed in all the popular Playlists. Except ads during podcasts. Except “AI shuffle” that mixes in promoted songs.
The same will happen to YT Premium. Bit by bit ads will be smuggled in. I mean… right now they promote “Premium light” after (what I’ve found for European prices) raising prices for premium and family tiers.
Honestly YT Premium has been a thing for a long time and it’s done the opposite. There used to be exclusive shows that were made public later. (i.e. they were made public the day after i paid for my subscription)
I like YT Premium (and Twitch Turbo for that matter) for two reasons: they support creators (wayy higher CPM than ad-supported viewers), and they support the platform in a way that makes them less dependent from advertisers. If more people subsribed to YT Premium, their incentives would lean towards paid members and away from advertisers and music labels.
Having said that, i have ethical problems with both Twitch and Youtube, hence why i don’t subscribe to either and subscribe to Nebula instead. It’ll do until PeerTube becomes usable.
And? If they do that I’ll just leave. It’s not like someone forces me to subscribe
Same tbh, but when i look at my wage and how rent gobbles up 70% while groceries take another 20%…i cannot afford it.
Tough luck on them because i will just use it ad free for free. Just because my wage is ass doesn’t make me less of a human where it gives them the right to waste my time inside my own private living space.
I paid for this space and i pay for this internet connection, i’m the one who’s in charge here.
So basically “Don’t pay a fee to use a product or service”.
I imagine this guy advocates for sneaking onto trains without paying the fare too, and shoplifting, etc. right?
Does he think products and services are magically free just because they’re provided through a computer rather than over a counter, and that business shouldn’t be allowed to charge money for them?
I get that this guy would rather go back to an internet where ad sales can pay for everything, but that’s just not viable for a lot of people now. Heck, many online services today didn’t even exist the way they do now 20 years ago, such as Netflix, and wouldn’t ever have been viable funded by ad sales alone.
Should we just stop innovating and growing as a society, stop offering new goods and services because they’re not viable in an ad sales only marketplace?
Plus, I bet this guy uses an ad blocker too, as most people that talk like this do. If he’s actively fighting the very financial foundation he’s advocating that we should go back to, what’s his end game? How does he see this actually working?
What’s his plan for how we’re should fund all these global businesses and products and so on? Can’t charge money, can’t passively fund free at point of use services using ad and anonymous marketing data… are businesses just supposed to print their own money?
Look, I don’t love how expensive a lot of these products and services are, I totally get why people pirate stuff, and I don’t like how the world wide web itself is becoming more of a small selection of walled garden services vs the millions of cool web pages and forums and such it used to be. That’s a deeper problem outside of this scope granted, but I think this guy longs for those days a little too, and that’s part of why he’s rebelling against modern online businesses.
I’m not saying every company handles charging for their products well, or that they’re affordable (but what is these days), look at Adobe for example. Or look at Unity’s recent crazy ideas.
I’m just saying that simply advocating for a boycott of businesses for having the audacity to charge money for a service that costs money to provide is, well, shortsighted to say the least.
These aren’t local government services paid for and provided free at point of use by our tax pounds like healthcare or the fire brigade, these are businesses - often global - that need to make money to survive (and yes I know a lot of them funnel too much of those profits to those who don’t deserve it rather than their staff, but that’s a whole other problem).
Yes, I long for a post scarcity, money free, star trek style society where everybody works for free just because they’re passionate about what they do and want to create and share cool things, without actually needing to work to survive or thrive. I would LOVE that. But that civilisation doesn’t exist for us yet, and we can’t expect one portion of it - the Internet - to become that all on its own in a vacuum.
The problem isn’t that people aren’t willing to pay for their products, it’s the fact that you give companies the little finger and they take the whole hand. They want to have their cake and eat it to. They want you to overpay and to be satisfied with bad service. They re-capitalize on content that has already turned a profit 20 years ago. I’m sorry but if I pay the equivalent of a movie ticket for a subscription and have to watch The Godfather with JPEG artifacts, they can kiss my ass.
Another keyword is “easily reproducible” which is the essence of digital data. If I steal something from the store, I stole a unique physical thing with inherit value attached to it. But if I am presented the choice between paying for lower bitrate movie or downloading the same movie for free in theater quality, I choose the later. Somehow the prices for subscriptions go up every year, but the amount of content and the quality decreases.
Additionally all streaming services take the liberty of revoking your ‘license’ to a bought (not rented or leased) product at any time. If I buy a movie on Amazon prime, they don’t give you a .mp4, no you can only watch it on their app with their quality. They do not disclose that if I buy something with a one-time transaction, it is just a lease and I am in fact not owning what I paid for.
Over the last decade I paid thousands of dollars for subscription services, but I haven’t gotten enough use out of them to justify what I paid. Hollywood made enough money off of me, so now I’m just helping myself to break even.
We don’t want these conglomerates to survive though… why do you? Opensource & public alternatives exist because people have a natural urge to help each other get their needs met. Why would you not want that over paying for a privatized internet?
Also, this logic doesn’t apply the exact same way for real life services because there are a lot more extra steps in regards to politics. But the principle is the same. Some services should be public and governments should see the incentive to facilitate that when they witness the people provide for each other instead of relying on the whims of industry giants. Where would the money come from, you ask? Probably the “99%”.
Let governments panic while conglomerates lose their money. Just let 'em! More people need to do this for it to make a dent though.
Fuck ChatGPT-bots.
THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY.
- the best advice an AI ever gave (too bad it was a fictional AI)
Except when it comes to voting. Vote, please.
That’s because all the good shit* comes from humans.
*but also so much bad shit. So so so much bad as well.
Fuckin’ A on this one. Think about how much companies make with entirely artificial scarcity. You can only add 1 license to this, you can only watch on one TV unless you pay us $15 a month. It costs $200 to change where you are in the database table for this flight. Complete bullshit and we need to see it for what it is and stop it. I love how she says all that will be left in their wake is dull capitalists. Exactly. Stop playing their games. Play your game.
Line must go 🆙
Wasn’t so long ago that someone would get laughed out of a room for taking the internet this seriously. People never planned for the inevitability of the internet being central to modern life, and, years later, here we are.
So, to whomever needs to hear it: Maybe start taking things like what this person is saying a little more seriously going forward.
Seriously man. The religious wars on YouTube. Cause they calmly debate their point of view right? WRONG. And it’s the same BS with politics. People are just so angry. And then there’s trolls who make things even worse. Like seriously man these mfs need Jesus.
No one needs Jesus… that’s the start of a lot of our problems
Hehe I got 27 downvotes even though it was kinda tongue in cheek. The problem is not Jesus. The problem is Paul. Most Christians prioritize Paul’s letters over what Jesus says.
I was an atheist for 5+ years but then I read the Gospel of Mark (the first Gospel btw, so from a secular perspective it’s more reliable since it’s closer to the events described).
I’d recommend y’all read it with an open mind, worst case scenario you’re reading Jewish mythology. But it really could be more than that, you won’t know until you read it.
Paul says some silly things sometimes, he’s a bit of a mixed bag. Sure, female literacy rates were lower 2000 years ago but “I don’t allow women to teach” or “they should stay silent” really? Obviously Paul was a product of his time.
Meanwhile in John chapter 8, Jesus forgives an adulterous woman, He doesn’t condemn her!!! Very scandalous thing to do in the 1st century. “He who is without sin, cast the first stone”. You don’t even have to do interpret the text all that much too notice that Jesus was a feminist. But Christians would rather read what Paul wrote rather than… Christ. Hence they are Paulians. Unlike Paul, Jesus never condemns the LGBT, not once. If you’re an ex Christian you’ll also remember that Jesus didn’t actually like the rich all that much, or the religious authorities at the time, the Pharisees. So much hate in this world man, people don’t read 1 John 3. How could anyone read that and think “God hates the gays”? They read Paul who never saw Jesus in the flesh rather than John, the beloved disciple.
Jesus even talks about false Christians in Matthew 7:
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Read the Gospels with an open mind and if you’re convinced find an LGBT affirming church with female pastors. God loves women and he loves gays. He loves all of us, John 3:16-17. I’m telling you man (or woman) reading the Gospels is awesome. Unlike Paul, everything Jesus says is relevant today. In the unlikely event that you don’t find His words and teachings inspiring, at the very least you know what you’re rejecting. Fundamentalists Baptists are not Christians. Trumpist “Christians” also completely missed the point.
Give it some thought “seek and ye shall find…” Jesus never fails to fulfill his promises. The key is reading the Gospels and you’ll see the real Jesus. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. God bless you brother/sister. May he grant you happiness and peace of mind :)
The problem is religion in general, fuck off with quotes from your hate book. No one cares what some zealots in the desert heard in their heads and thought it was a god speaking to them
Very sad that you think this way. You must have never read 1 John. Those hateful Christians are disgusting and they’re leading people astray. As I mentioned already, they’re wolves in sheep’s clothing. They’re not good people. Find me ONE verse where Jesus (not Paul) says gay sex is sin, or that women are to stay silent. If that’s the case, it is a hate book. Maybe you’ll find something. I’m willing to change my mind.
Again, not reading your hate book. Fuck off
Again, not a hate book. Jesus loves you so much. Even if it takes years for you to open your heart to Him, he’ll wait patiently. God bless you, JJ.
Too right. Ain’t nobody needs that “the most important commandment is to love others as yourself” crap.
Exactly. This is why I follow Christ and not “Christians” those people just give Jesus a bad rep. If only they read the Gospels and took them to heart. If only they obeyed Jesus’ commandments. A false Christian is worse than a moral atheist. By a huge margin, or as New Yorkers would say, YUGE. I know finding a true church is gonna be hard (I returned to Christ last month) but I trust the Holy Ghost will guide me.
Don’t get me started on TikTok. I don’t even like YouTube Shorts but my stupid monkey brain can’t stop clicking them lol. I’m not downloading CrapTok ever again.
So anyways, that’s why I insist that any cryptocurrency I use is 100% FOSS and 100% p2p. The future of the world’s money supply doesn’t belong in the hands of any foundation.
NewPipe is great on my phone, SmartTube for my TV. I tried showing others but it’s like they don’t think that there is a problem. I use Arch btw.
FreeTube is pretty good as well. Using it on Debian (or Mint).
+1 to FreeTube. It just sucks that all these players typically use the same YouTube.js lib. So when google fucks with that lib (because they definitely cat-and-mouse that shit), it breaks so many.
That’s my fear as well. Google breaks literally everything they touch.
100%.
SponsorBlock on SmartTube is incredible. Saved so much time
YouTube.com through firefox with uBo for me. SmartTube is super easy to set up and if anyone is on the fence, do it now.
Does anyone know something not terribly complicated for blocking YouTube ads on Xbox one? We don’t have a smart tv and the ads are infuriating when I remember they exist
i just use the YouTube site on firefox with adblock and sponsorblock. slightly janky but works
