• JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
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    Remember this shit when the trump trolls post their anti-vote bullshit. This is what will happen if they get their way.

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      You do realize Trump was already president, right? And that our current president is literally funding a genocide?

      The fear mongering doesn’t work. Field better candidates that can actually win elections against convicted felons and you don’t run into this issue.

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        Do you realize that if Trump becomes president again, his people have made absolutely no secret about their plans for seriously ramping up the ongoing trans genocide?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocide#United_States

        And now it’s your time to either downplay and/or deny that genocide or pretend it isn’t happening or that Trump won’t make it worse. Anything but actually admit there’s at least one kind of people whose genocide won’t bother you.

        But please, do surprise me on this front.

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          Americans do need to experience the reality of where neoliberal politics have brought us before they can be made willing to resist it.

          You’ve got to understand, trans people are losing their rights right now already, they’ve been a struggling class of people for decades, the neolib public does not actually care. Sure, they’ll tokenize trans people and their struggles as a political cudgel, but in the end this election is about protecting the comfort of upper middle-class neoliberals, that’s why they demand people vote for a conservative – they themselves don’t want to experience the consequences of their lackluster politics, that’s for minorities, not for “normal Democrats”.

          There’s no more kicking the fan down the road, no more “lesser of two evils”, you guys are going to need to admit what it takes to win elections or you get to go down with all the groups you’re standing on to keep your own head above water.

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          Candidate so unpopular they’re neck and neck with literally the worst president in the countries history.

          Candidate’s diehard supporters when their guy loses: “surely this isn’t my candidates fault for alienating the bulk of his base while supporting a far-right fascist genocide. This must be the fault of the Democratic base!”

          Give me a break. Neolibs only have themselves to blame if Biden can’t win against the single most beatable opponent in history.

          Fear and threats don’t work anymore, you guys have got to actually allow non-conservative candidates out there or Dems will just keep losing. Most of the Democratic base is not going to vote for a Reagan Republican in Dem clothing.

          https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240615-over-50000-palestinian-children-require-treatment-for-acute-malnutrition-says-un-agency/

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            Dude, it’s a party politics problem really, compounded by corrupt electoral bullshit like the electoral college, gerrymanderind and malapportionment. The two party nominees at any election have never been the parties’ best and/or brightest.

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          No. But the fact that Joe Biden’s big selling point here is “I’ll theoretically fund genocide less than Trump” is not really a compelling distinction.

          You’ve got to take a step back and look at what you’re supporting to really understand why Biden is struggling. Compare Biden’s position on Israel to, say, Ronald Reagan’s. Really kind of puts it into perspective that you’ve quite literally been made into a Republican in all but name. All using the same fear tactics every election cycle.

          Well, we’ve reached the bottom of thr hill doing it your way, Democrats are literally paying to kill children now, how much further down were you guys saying we need to go before your magical “long term progress” kicks in?

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          There’s no “exposing”, I’ve been pretty clear that my goal here is subverting the Democratic right-wing, that shouldn’t shock anyone.

          Like, why are you acting like that’s some huge reveal? Yes, I’m anti-genocide, go ahead and label me, though I think your reliance on labels is kind of what got us all into this mess to begin with. It’s why you’re a Republican in any practical sense of the word.

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          It actually is really simple, you’re right. Don’t fund genocide and you get my vote.

          That’s literally all it takes at this point. I’ve been defeated on ever seeing functional healthcare and campaign finance reform and stuff. You guys won in that regard, its not gonna happen, you should be happy. All I’m saying is I can’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate, you know?

          You’ve dragged me along to the right with you so far that that’s now my standard.

          I’m gonna blow your mind here; I voted for Biden in 2020. Despite utterly despising neolibs and their coercive right-wing politics. I did what you demanded, voted for the lesser evil (once again) and got a genocide for it.

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            Bet it’ll be FAR worse if you get your way and Trump is elected. But along with it being worse, you can say goodbye to the LGBTQ+ and any body autonomy women have remaining.

            You have NO idea what’s going on here. They’re playing with live ammo buddy. This isn’t a joke.

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              Women and lgbt people are already losing their rights. I think it’s you who’ve lost your way.

              Look again at what your “lesser evil” is doing. Where it’s gotten us. You’ve literally been pushed so far to the right that you’re here defending the deliberate starvation of tens of thousands of children. You’re completely politically and morally disoriented.

              That’s you. That’s the fruit of your support right there in that image. Go ahead and justify it to yourself however you want when you cast a vote, it doesn’t change the reality of what you’re saying is acceptable for Democrats to support.

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                So name someone better. Come on now, you pulled me up to the pump… let’s get some gas now! Name a candidate. Who can win that will have both the power AND authority to end your genocide?

                Come on. I’m sure you have ideas. You can’t be here ONLY to stop people from voting….

                Right?

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                Women and lgbt people are already losing their rights.

                Repub SCOTUS is the Dem’s fault, classic.

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                  The Dems are just as complicit for not acknowledging or addressing the danger we were in from the Federalist society. First I heard of the plan to capture the courts was almost twenty years ago, people were warning about it, neolibs refused to treat it as a real threat.

                  Instead we got idiots thinking they could rely on “decorum” and tradition, on patting their Repub colleagues on the ass like it’s a baseball game, instead of admitting what we already knew; the right is fully fascist and out for blood.

                  The loss of the court is the fault of every single dipshit neolib who chose to believe that the courts weren’t a political arm, that they were actually non-partisan. It’s the fault of Ginsberg for arrogantly clinging to power despite being sick for years. It’s the fault of Democrats for refusing even now to entertain the possibility of packing the court or trying to implement term limits on justices by cycling them out to other federal positions.

                  They were too busy sucking corporate dick, protecting the status quo and sabotaging progressives like Sanders because he wanted functional healthcare and to take away their binky of lobby money to even see what was happening around them, let alone organize a resistance to it.

                  The blind greed and deliberate incompetence of Democrats makes them complicit.

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                    It’s the fault of Ginsberg and the Dems that McConnell blocked appointments, good job. You are very intelligent.

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            What do you think Trump will do differently?

            If you’re a single issue voter and still voting for the worst of those two options you’re a baffoon.

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                So you instead choose even more of that with Donald. Or you are saying the Muslim bans and “finish the job” won’t lead to ramping up the attacks? The Christian nationalist heading Congress isn’t looking to start the apocalypse and rapture? Lindsey Graham isn’t saying Israel should nuke Gaza and that the US did nothing wrong in Hiroshima?

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                  Maybe that will be enough to shock neoliberals awake as to the reality of what they’redealing with, maybe not, but it’s the only shot we’ve got. We can’t afford any more lesser evil, we’ve reached rock bottom with this genocide.

                  We’re not just backsliding slowly, we’re at the bottom of the hill.

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                    Shocking neoliberals awake will do fuckall when they are living under a dictatorship that a (I know you’re confused by this concept) Repub-appointed SCOTUS is considering granting a Long Knife to.

                    There will be more genocide and more war. There will be nothing at all anyone can do since the “let’s get the National Guard in” and “deport these protesters to Gaza” guys will be in charge.

                    We are literally in a comment section discussing the Repub candidate wanting to execute people over whatever slights. Please get a clue. No, it is not as bad as it could be.