I’m not fretting about it, I think it’s fucking stupid to leave the choice with the same idiots who fucked it up to begin with
Sure. And I agree. But I’m over it. Any one polling over 45%. I dont care any more. I just want someone who can beat Trump. Its obvious to everyone with eyes that isn’t Biden.
Even changing the nominee is risky at this point.
So is not replacing him, and the hand wringing around it being a problem is a significant contributor to this mess lasting as long as it has.
The right answer is to go to an open convention and duke it out the way its always been done in the past. At least bring back some semblance of democracy to the Democratic party; you’ll get a SHIT ton of coverage on the matter; it will turn into a real horse race and get people engaged, and then you’ll have a candidate is at least competitive, which Biden isnt.
You shouldnt be scared of replacing Biden. Thats like being scared of pulling over in a car with a flat tire.
Biden’s actually highly unusual in that he made sanctions on settlers, pushed hard for a cease fire, tried to provide aid, and paused weapons shipments. None of that, to me, means he deserves any credit. He should be snatching Netanyahu and taking him to the ICC, and landing US troops to shoot IDF members in the face if they try to go around killing anybody. But, pretending that he somehow represents a downward departure from the norm for US leaders is to me unsupported by the evidence. US leaders fuckin love war crimes by our allies.
Ok, thanks for the context I think I understand better what you are trying to say. I understand now I think the nuance you are trying to create with this opinion. However, this is in disagreement with historical context, such as the camp David accords. The US has been far more heavy handed with Israel in the past and not supported or condemned their actions. I dont think that takes away from the spirit of your point however.
I would just offer that you try and draw the conclusion you are making more clearly because it really looked like you were trying to suggest that Biden wasn’t the most pro-israel politician of all time, when its like, extremely well documented thats who the guy is. The point being that Israels current actions are so equally un-precedented that even the most pro-Israel politician of all time cant “just go along” with them.
“Demand me nothing; what you know, you know. From this time forth I never will speak word”
-Lago, Othello (5.2. 347-348)
Ah yes. This old tired canard.
Tell me you don’t understand XKCD without telling me you don’t understand XKCD.
I mean, you want to talk cork-screwed logic. Did you not notice that none of the clips you posted are NYT?
My explanation is far simpler: The Times’ is too wrapped up in the smell of their own farts to notice when they’ve lost the thread.
also:
and your pretense that Biden is an unusually pro-Israel US president, is imaginary
Why do you insist on lying about something that is so easily verifiable?
Biden was the most pro-Israel senator of all time. Why are you trying to lie about this? Its like, his senatorial legacy. We all knew this about Joe Biden in 2008, 2012, 2016, 200. Its not even new news. Its old, well established fact about how Biden conducted himself in congress.
What a bizarre thing to try and lie about.
I mean, this is the kind of messaging we should expect from the office until the exact moment he flips. There isn’t anything really “new” in this BBC article, its mostly a rehash of several other articles and polls that have come out since last Thursday.
I’m still holding out for an announcement this evening/ tomorrow morning, but I am becoming less confident in that. I’m still confident that Biden isn’t going to be the nominee, but he’s creating a significant cost associated with him continuing to run as a lost-cause candidate. We need to move on and regroup, and we’re running out of time to do so.
At this point, Biden needs to basically recover 30 points in the polling to overcome the disadvantage we know he carries going into a general (we have seen how he underperforms his polling on election day; we also know that Trump typically outperforms his polling on election day). A thirty point swing at this point is a statistical impossibility, for those being practical about the matter. I can post the analysis again, but no swing of that magnitude has ever happened this close to election day. Ever. Based on his current polling, Biden has a less than 1% probability of winning, which is to say, basically impossible.
You can engage with any of the points I made to show your honesty at any point.
But you won’t.
This is interesting, but honestly, after the last 8 months of news on Israel and Gaza, I basically have to discount anything from, or anyone whose opinion is developed from, the NYT’s reporting. The NYT has gone from paper of record to something akin to New York Post level off bull-shit, effectively wrapped up in more “acceptable” / “cleaner” verbage and relying on a better reputation to do basically the same level of propaganda.
I whole-heartedly agree with the articles sentiment in that Biden not being the candidate is only news’ to the Times because of their failure to acknowledge to what many of us here and in alternative media have been seeing for a very long time: that Biden isnt’ and hasn’t been a viable candidate. But like with so many here, the Time’s was too busy carrying water to notice how far off track they had gotten, and their intentional ignorance to Biden’s obvious issue set the stage for this over-reaction in the other direction.
All and all its just more support for alternative media where you can just pay the creators directly or federated media like lemmy which can remain unbought.
Early millennial. Depped into the Navy about 5 months after 9/11.
Oh I didn’t realize you were just jerking off. I apologize for answering you in good faith.
I mean do you even know a what you mean by that?
A “good” candidate is one that can win.
The blue no matter who here are really no different
He has to be capable of winning to be worth supporting.
In the past 500 days, at no point had Biden demonstrated any evidence that he can win the election. He didn’t campaign as a two term president in 2020, he specifically acknowledged he would only do one term. His polling has been abysmal, almost all of his term, when we know that he already suffers from a 12 point polling deficit on Trump (Biden needs to be beating Trump by 12 to beat him, statistically). His key policies are deeply, the ones that will define him as president, specifically Gaza and the border, are deeply unpopular with the key demographics he needs to win, specifically middle eastern voters in the upper Midwest and any one under 40.
So this all is, and always has been, on Biden, to do better on. He’s not a candidate that you can support with these outstanding issues because he can’t win an election with them. Supporting him inspire of those issues does nothing to change the fact that he can’t win. Infact, the blue maga blind support (orange man worse, blue no matter who, etc…) has significantly harmed our ability to beat Trump because it prevented any pressure being placed on Biden to become a better candidate.
Some one needing to earn your vote in a primary season is bigger than just getting your issues addressed. It’s about carving a candidate into someone popular enough to win an election. That’s how Biden won in 2020. He had to go caress and finesse various voting blocks into supporting him by becoming a candidate and having a platform they could get behind. And it worked. He won that election by stepping left and effectively cloning the entire progressive/ Bernie platform.
Pretending this guy can win is idiotic and doesn’t work. If for whatever reason we still end up with Biden as candidate, we’re going to lose this election. And it’s going to be because of the blue no matter who/ Blue maga crowd if we do lose. It’s an intentional ignorance they’ve maintained about how electoralism and elections work in an effort to shield an unelectable candidate from criticism, and lemmy.world, the news and politics C’s and their associated mods, are particularly rife with it. If we run Biden inspire of his obvious shortcoming which are frankly insurmountable at this point, I put three blame solely in those who made a concerted effort to lie/disguise/ and prevent discussion about his shortcomings as a candidate.
Its just really important to identify it and call it out when you see it. Even with the way they downvote brigade, its important to put them on display.
Whats that fallacy?
When you are committed to a losing strategy because you feel like you need to recover what you’ve already lost?
To everything you just said: No.
Biden is splitting the Democratic party currently. Not some other time; right now. If you want to unite the Democrats, we need another candidate. Bro is polling in the mid-low 30’s. Dentistry polls higher.
Remember when any one who criticized Trump was a bot or a shill or whatever according to r/TheDonald…
Anyway Pepperidge farms remembers…
I don’t need to worry about that, but I have standing wagers with several people here on lemmy and elsewhere that Biden both:
a) wont be the nominee,
and
b) wont be the next president.
So I’d have to pay up? But I’m not worried about that in the slightest at this point (I got a bit excited after his ‘decent’ state of the Union back in March that he might flip on Gaza, but no, he dug his grave further).
Too many other seats are on the line to run Biden.
I took several bets where I was able to get anything from 10:1 or 20:1 in a parlay for a) and b) back in April. I’m confident enough now to do even money if there is no time line associated with it (other than obvious ones like the convention). All in all I probably have about a couple hundred on the line right now? Its all on these two outcomes.
I’ll take 10:1 that Biden isn’t the nominee at the end of this week if you are willing to offer it, and even money that he isn’t the nominee (no timeline) or president. I’m also interested in parlays if you have any you want to propose.
Well, you and I are.
There are plenty of people here, I suggest a majority, who have deluded themselves into thinking Biden is the only possible path to beating Trump, rather than a guaranteed L.
This cohort is the same cohort that has effectively put us in such a dramatically weak position to beat Trump. They are the real problem and if allowed to go unchecked, will lose this election for us.