Nice straw man. Nobody said the community was going to “Linux-sized” nor that it was going to be built in a “few days,” nor that it was going to have paid devs. It’s like you’re being intentionally obtuse.

There are already multiple supported forks of Firefox and while it doesn’t take much to maintain such forks when they are being fed a large part of the codebase by Mozilla, if you think such a project would not pick right the fuck up where Mozilla left off if Mozilla tried to pull a Google and get behind Manifest V3, you are, I believe, mistaken.

Mozilla itself owes its existence to Netscape’s failure in the face of unfair competition by Microsoft’s Explorer. Netscape released its source code, Mozilla was founded and the power of open-source created Firefox. Chrome’s halfhearted support of Mozilla is itself owed to the fact that they don’t want to get spanked over Chrome like Microsoft was over IE.

Ah thanks, I was about to call Peter.

As if installing and using something else means you can’t have Chrome lying around for that one stupid website.

Yes, and we will drop Mozilla when it drops uBlock as well. We will all get behind whatever open-source browser stops ads, and it will very quickly become the most widely used browser. Why? Because everybody despises fucking ads and you can’t curb-stomp them into liking ads, that’s why.

Google can spend all the money it likes trying to piss on users and tell them it’s raining but at the end of the day, a new king will be crowned and if it isn’t Chrome and it isn’t Firefox, then it will be something else.

And no, FOSS doesn’t need money behind it. FOSS needs a dedicated community behind it. Assertions to the contrary are FUD constantly being seeded by Google, Microsoft and their ilk to destroy competition. This is an existential necessity for Google, you can bet they are doing everything in their power to maintain the status quo.

I understand that Mother Jones is not an ecumenical council, but the Jezebel referenced in the Bible was not a prostitute. She was considered “wicked” for several other offenses.

1. Astroturfing is trivial, they have a dedicated groups of people doing it and they do it everywhere it’s their job
2. Maybe so, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t prefer it if Mozilla got behind Manifest V3

Mozilla doesn’t need 80% of its revenue to do a good job of maintaining a browser codebase. So it’s a good thing that that funding could disappear, Mozilla could fold like a lawn chair and the next open-source fork that everyone got behind would pick right up and probably do a better job at the core task than Mozilla is.

This idea that open-source software requires more than a dedicated contributing community is (one of many) memes created by the likes of Google and Microsoft in order to snuff out FOSS competition.

I’m convinced that 80% of all these threads and the responses within them are astroturfing by Google to cause everyone to despair that Mozilla is no better than Google and that there will never be anything that could be developed to compete with Google if Mozilla went under.

There’s just too goddamn many of them and they’re all filled with the same negative comments. It’s just like the “no way bro, I love paying for YouTube why you gotta have everything for free bro?” bullshit from a few months ago.

It needed better talent. Thom Hartmann was the sole survivor because he’s actually listenable. Randi Rhodes and Ron Reagan were just shit. But progressive talk can be done well. Stephanie Miller is hilarious when she has the right crew, but she has a penchant for self-owning. She gave us John Fugelsang, who is just brilliant.

I watch too much MST3K. I couldn’t understand why having a warm backside was the opposite of Kool-Aid.

That sounds like communism, Florida won’t have any of that. The glorious free market will surely fix all things.

🎵You allll everybody!🎵

this whole thing took me a while to process, ngl

So… this is great and all, but how come the senate will confirm any Biden appointments? One would think these days it would just be business as usual to deny all appointments if you control the senate. They face no repercussions for anything these days it seems.

I feel this way about all the meddling and bullshit that state actors are doing - Russia, China, Iran - are you really fucking certain that this isn’t going to fuck you in the ass worse than you’ve already been fucked? Really?

The delicious irony is that they now get to live in the world they helped create.

Seeing as how Trump publicly announced his intention to throw him in prison for life, maybe he ought to be thinking a little bit about self preservation.

I’ve literally never seen any of these except the top symbol.

Nope! Gotta keep our eye on 2028!!!