Capitalism is continuing to decline and people are farther removed from the Red Scare.

Can you explain the structural issues you belive Socialism to necessarily have? Can you explain why they are inevitable in Socialism, and moreso than Capitalism?

Social Democracy historically still results in increasing disparity, and economic Imperialism. You can’t fix the issues with Capitalism with a band-aid.

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Because America is becoming increasingly radicalized, left and right, and as such a center-right Neoliberal that upholds the status quo above all else is hated by radicals on both sides.

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Producing party favors and other mindless bullshit, no matter how “ethically sourced,” is still consumerism at the expense of the environment. Bottled water is another great example.

Capitalism is antithetical to sustainability, and has to be wrangled into a sustainable position soon or the climate disaster will become even worse than it already will be.

Do you believe that every single action one must do be perfectly in line with leftist ideas to be a leftist? Is it not possible to commit evil for the purposes of, in their minds, securing the chances for achieving Socialism and Communism?

Stalin, by and large, was a leftist that was dedicated to the cause of achieving Communism. He was also a cruel, evil brute, who cared little for the Means of achieving it.

I prefer to recognize evil leftists to learn from them and their mistakes so as not to repeat them.

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Mald, cope, seethe, all you’ve done is prove that you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about.

Do you think democracy is a bad thing? Why do you think authoritarian structures are good if its labeled Capitalism? Do you think Communism is when Mr. Bureaucrat sits down in his government chair and does a Communism? Lmao.

Is it brigading if people just think you have shit takes and downvote you without organizing or trying to brigade? Is that how fragile you and your worldview are?

Communism is based on the idea that individuals are all unique, with different skills, and works on allocating resources based on use and not on profit.

Why are you under the assumption that it’s the opposite?

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What propaganda?

As for your points against worker councils, why would they let themselves starve? Do you misunderstand what a Worker council even is? Do you think it’s just a group of people at the very top of a system, like an oligarchy? Why do you think the word worker is the descriptive factor?

Capitalism is right wing, Socialism is left wing.

How is there a power vacuum? How do people amass tanks in global Communism to fight the rest of the globe?

The co-ops do not exist within the same space as Capitalism. You cannot have 100% Capitalism and 100% Socialism, they are mutually exclusive.

Please, for the love of everything, read Marx.

My central objection was to you operating purely on vibes, which you continue to do.

Your second paragraph is more you missing the point, as you always do, so it doesn’t really matter.

Do you really think people saying they wish Stalin gulag’d more people are serious? The second claim is half correct, there is absolutely mass imprisonment and mass erasure of culture, it depends on how you define genocide. Is it absolutely evil? Yes. Genocide? Iffy.

You look at everything completely black and white and give them ammo, because then they can turn around and say that China isn’t genociding Uighers, when you should just be saying that the de-radicalization program is evil regardless.

All in all, read Marx.

I’m not in any way defending the Moscow Trials or the Great Purge, but the reasoning behind Stalin’s Great Purge was to eliminate counter revolutionaries and solidify his own power so that he may continue the path to Communism, in his eyes and the eyes of the party.

Still evil, still leftist.

1. Needs clarification, lol. Worker councils are made up of the workers themselves in local areas. Do you think that because Capitalists only care about profit, that they let people starve? You’re continuing to prove a lack of understanding of the subject matter.

2. Regulated Capitalism is right wing, no matter how light or heavy, because Capitalism is right wing.

3. Sure, you will have liberal democracy until a Capitalist convinces a bunch or scared people they need control and slowly take over everything. Congrats, you have Nazi Germany, Batista’s Cuba, Mussolini’s Italy… and other Capitalist Dictatorships.

This is a nothingpoint. Communism is global.

4. Citation needed. Capitalist economies plan all the time, lmao.

5. Worker Cooperatives are Socialism, not Capitalism, even if they compete with Capitalist entities.

6. Worker Cooperatives are not Capitalist, even if they can exist in market economies.

Read Marx, you clearly haven’t because all of your points can be easily debunked by reading Marx. I haven’t needed to write walls of text for every point because all of your points have been easily debunked.

I wasn’t defending Stalin, I was pointing out flaws in your logic, which you continue to double down on. It’s like you’re in a shit pit, making your own shit castle, flinging it everywhere. Nothing you’ve actually said has mattered at all.

The people you’ve described don’t fit your definition. You’ve given a specific definition, then when asked to clarify, you showed people that don’t fit that same definition.

Read Marx, I guess.

Can’t think of many who are. Certainly not me.

Do you think tools have mystical mind control aspects to them that cause their owners to commit genocide if society collectively owns them? If so, then why does genocide also happen in Capitalist countries?

1. You continue your rant to describe them as conservatives, and other than what I’ve shown you directly saying, you haven’t actually backed up what a tankie is, just a “conservative that uses leftist language.” You haven’t actually backed any of that up, nor pointed out how they are conservative, nor how they back up hierarchy.

It’s not really how arguments work, considering you just virtue signaled without making any actual points.

2. I’m fine with being an asshole to you, you’ve been nothing but an asshole to me. That’s just how this convo has been, really.

My point isn’t that there isn’t such thing as a tankie, or a dictatorship. Pinochet, Pol Pot, Hitler, and by some stretches, Stalin, are all dictators.

Here’s the nuance, and my driving, central points: what you describe as a tankie doesn’t fundamentally exist in the quantity you pretend it does. There are always crazy people on any side, but the people you linked don’t fit what you described, except in the most extreme, fringe cases. Meanwhile, the majority of people may be “edgy,” but aren’t supporters of the Katyn Massacre, or the numerous issues in the USSR.

That’s why MLs even have a term they call “critical support,” whereby they recognize leftist movements like the USSR, and recognize the actions resulted from material conditions and responses to said material conditions, rather than out of a moralistic desire to commit evil.

Pretty sure that covers it. There are very, very few people that actually fit your definition, and you extend it to anyone on the left that’s more radical than you as a way to disengage from actual leftist conversation.

Guess I should finish this convo by suggesting you read Marx?