By have to I mean obligations. You’ve got a meeting at noon, you have to be there. You may not want to, but you have to.

By want I mean every other voluntary action. You’re thirsty and you open the fridge. There’s milk, water and orange juice. Say you grab the orange juice. You did that because you wanted it. To say that you could have chosen milk or water isn’t true. You didn’t want those, you wanted orange juice. If you rewind the clock and open the fridge again you’d still want the orange juice. In that moment you can’t do other than what you want. You can’t choose to not want it. It may be than in a few years you no longer like orange juice so in thay sense your wants may change but then and there in that moment you can’t act against it.

Even if you decide against your preferences to prove a point you’d still be acting according to your wants; you want to prove me wrong and thus you grab the water. That’s still doing what you wanted to do.

I’m sure that’s true in some cases, but I wouldn’t generalize it as the explanation for most incel’s situations that they simply had too unrealistic standards

Your typical incel is that quiet guy in school with bad skin, plain clothes, and oily hair, whose only friends were the other outcasts. Like everyone else, they just wanted a normal relationship with a normal woman. It’s the repeated failure to form those relationships that leads to the resentment and anger we now see. They weren’t always like that. The bitterness and hatred is a coping mechanism for their situation, not the cause of it.

I think you’re being a bit unfair there. These attitudes often stem from their inability to form relationships. The struggle came first, and the resentment followed. They aren’t without sex and relationships because they’re inherently hateful people; rather, the hatred emerges from prolonged frustration and rejection.

In most cases, I believe the inability to get into relationships is less about character and more about factors like social awkwardness, lack of friends, poor hygiene, unfortunate genetics, spending too much time online or gaming, etc.

I don’t think that’s fair. It’s not just sex they are after; they want a relationship but are unable to get into one.

Nothing wrong with asking as long as you’re also willing to accept no as an answer. If you’re going to attack them for refusing, then it wasn’t really a question in the first place but rather a demand masked as one.

Also, I’m not sure if this is the correct community to ask this.

Depends on which definition you go by, I guess. I prefer the literal meaning of the word; involuntary celibate. A person who is celibate against their own will.

Well not really. Those are different things. Black pill is about how you think, while incel is about what you are.

It’s what they wanted to do at that time then. Why else would they do it? I mean really, think about it. Why would you choose to do something like that other than it’s what you felt like doing at the time.

I have a bad habit of biting my nails. It would be correct to say that it’s something I do despite not wanting to but that wouldn’t exactly be true because when I catch myself about to do it and I resists, it’s hard because I really want to do it despite knowing I shouldn’t.

It’s more like the person I want to be being in conflict with the person I actually am.

How is Facebook supposed to ban Twitter?

I’m glad they do as that’s the only way I access those platforms. Same applies for twitter. Using an app means I can’t block ads.

Perfect, just in time to stop Russia from meddling with the 2016 election!

Great, now Putin will have absolutely no way whatsoever to spread his propaganda on Facebook!

I really struggle to see the point of these comments. It’s a valid criticism to say it should’ve been done sooner or they should’ve done more, but doing something is better than doing nothing and also better late than never. So what are these commentors trying to achieve here other than applause and upvotes? This is one of the things my autistic brain has a hard time figuring out about social media. Is it just to say what’s popular so people come and pat you on the back?

People don’t do stuff they don’t want to to because they couldn’t think of anything better to do. If you decide to just stay in and lay in bed because you couldn’t think of anything better to do then laying in bed is what you preferred to do above everything else, otherwise you’d be doing something else.

The argument in the title is essentially an argument against free will. Involuntary actions are outside of your control and are thus for evidence of free will. Stubbing your toe is not something you chose to do. It’s a thing that happened to you.

These terms are usually used when talking about the dating scene and they originate from the movie Matrix where taking the blue pill means you’ll stay blissfully ignorant where as red pill means seeing the harsh reality of the world. In dating contex this usually means the idea that women only want rich and high status men who are over 6 feet tall, muscular and have a huge dick and if you want a quality mate you need to achieve these things one way or another.

Black pill just takes this one step further. It’s basically like going from determinism to fatalism meaning that since you didn’t win the genetic lottery there’s nothing you can do about it so just accept the fact that this is going to be your life untill you die.

Well I don’t believe in free will so in my view what ever you do is because you couldn’t have done otherwise. In that sense you “have to” do everything that you do because doing something else would mean breaking free from the laws of physics and deterministic universe.

Whay ever makes someone do the thing in the first place is what would make them do it again, and again, and again no matter how many times they rewind the clock and try again. You’d need to be able to change the order of the universe to break free from the causal chain.

No, I disagree. I didn’t choose not to start smoking. I simply never developed the desire to start. It’s not something I decided against my natural preferences.

It’s besides the point anyway. Even if I could choose to do or not do something it would still be about what I want which aligns with the title of the post.

You can’t do something you don’t want unless someone makes you do it. Even if you do something like go to the gym despite not wanting there’s a greater want behind it that’s pushing you to do it. In this case getting healthy and fit. This means you do want to go to the gym, you just don’t like it.

Either you have to or you want to.

Having a phobia is not something people chose to have, so no freedom there. If a person is afraid of spiders they then want to avoid them at all costs. That aligns with the statement in the title.

The agents likely only have pistols on them and those get inaccurate real quick as the distance to the target increases.

You didn’t just choose to not like them, though. That’s not how human psychology works.