Hello World!

We’ve made some changes today, and we’d like to announce that our Code of Conduct is no longer in effect. We now have a new Terms of Service, in effect starting from today(October 19, 2023).

The “LAST REVISION DATE:” on the page also signifies when the page was last edited, and it is updated automatically. Details of specific edits may be viewed by following the “Page History” reference at the bottom of the page. All significant edits will also be announced to our users.

The new Terms of Service can be found at https://legal.lemmy.world/


In this post our community mods and users may express their questions, concerns, requests and issues regarding the Terms of Service, and content moderation in Lemmy.World. We hope to discuss and inform constructively and in good faith.

  • PeleSpirit@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    That does look like they deleted the person by accident. When people are attacking you, it’s hard to see everyone clearly.

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      1 year ago

      If it’s hard to see clearly, then such a person should not be an admin.

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        1 year ago

        This is all volunteer and by donation, be the change you want to see. Mistakes happen. Having been a mod, it’s way harder than it looks. I can’t imagine how hard an admin is.

    • AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works
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      1 year ago

      Except that according to OP’s comments elsewhere, they haven’t apologized or communicated directly with them, they haven’t answered their ticket, and the entries in the modlog of them doing those actions have been removed. Nothing about that looks like the actions of someone making an accident and owning up to it.

      The reason that was archived hardly makes it seem like an accident:

      Banned @InternetTubes

      reason: disagreeing with the Terms of Service - don’t worry your content is gone

      https://web.archive.org/web/20231020022523/https://kbin.social/u/@InternetTubes@lemmy.world

      https://web.archive.org/web/20231019235547/https://lemmy.world/modlog

      OP has also pointed out that you can search for HEISENBERG in a more recent modlog and look back and see that a lot of entries have been removed, https://web.archive.org/web/20231021224842/https://lemmy.world/modlog . This is about the only thing that could seem like an accident, even if the timing does make it seem suspicious.

      There’s also another person joining in and making claims that seem to support that they act this way: https://lemmy.ml/comment/5060380

      • PeleSpirit@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        That all does sound like there is a rogue admin, have you contacted Ruud or another one of the admins? This isn’t a faceless organization, but a volunteer one. Someone could have came in to do harm, or this is a shitty instance (I’m leaning towards it being an attack). I haven’t had anything weird happen, but I’ve been naive about this before. Ruud could be being naive too. I think we’d love to know how this all turns out, so keep us updated.

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          1 year ago

          According to OP, they believe it was the same admin who’s been writing the ToS because of the last comment and the ban reason although there is no direct evidence of it. They did provide a screenshot of a ticket having been made in mastodon.world that hasn’t been answered.

          Just looked at Ruud’s account, and he has been inactive for a few weeks now, he may not be available and this may have been done in his absence. I think Antik has been the only one to reply, but saying that a whole instance is untrustworthy and associating to people complaining about how this server has handled itself seems like deflection, specially when OP seems to have defended lemmy.world against those very same criticisms in the past.

          I really just wanted to know, but having no clear answer is an answer to itself. I’ll just let this alt become my new main so I don’t have to risk the wipeout. It still leaves a lot of possible potential damage, but people are crowding around this instance, whatchagonnado.

          • PeleSpirit@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            It’s hard for any of us from the outside looking in to make a judgement call. The OP could be sending threatening messages to that admin to cause drama, it could be an honest mistake, a malicious admin or the whole instance is Meta masquerading as a decent instance, we just don’t know. There are a lot of serious malicious actors trying to take this instance down, that was obvious a month or so ago. As you say, whatchagonnado but see how it plays out.

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              OP has provided all information he can and archived to verify its objectivity. It is the admins who are being silent to the multiple number of complaints. It is hardly due to OP that messages have most certainly been removed from the modlog, it is hardly due to OP that the reason for their ban was what it was and not what you are claiming OP to be, or that the admins are largely remaining silent from this discussion.

              When indisputable evidence has been presented, it should be other side to defend themselves, not have speculation provided as if it has the same equal weight. You are basically saying that your speculation regarding the potential bad faith of the OP is the same as all the objective proof that they have provided. It is not.

              • PeleSpirit@lemmy.world
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                1 year ago

                OP could still be sending threatening messages, have you modded before? The trolls have been out full force here for about 2 weeks now, I’m going to wait and see.

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                  1 year ago

                  Complete speculation, or using said speculation to attempt to argue objective evidence away, really isn’t helpful. Taking that approach, anyone could claim that a stoner admin could have acted as one would expect an admin who is stoned to have acted, it’s just slinging mud.

                  If reddit proved anything, it’s that waiting won’t force a response if the admin team just wants it to go away. I’m not waiting, and I suspect we will hear little more about this until the next time the base cause of it brings about other issues.