Israel has given Hamas a proposal through Qatari and Egyptian mediators that includes up to two months of a pause in the fighting as part of a multi-phase deal that would include the release of all remaining hostages held in Gaza, two Israeli officials said.

Why it matters: While the proposal doesn’t include an agreement to end the war, it is the longest period of ceasefire that Israel has offered Hamas since the start of the war.

Driving the news: More than 130 hostages are still being held in Gaza. Israeli officials say several dozen hostages either died on October 7 or in the weeks since then.

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    9 months ago

    I don’t think anyone really thinks that that conflict started on October 7th. But are you really denying that October 7th completely changed the calculus for everyone involved?

    They sold out their country and their countrymen in order to kill 1,300 civilians and first responders, for what?

    Honestly, could one of you Hamas supporters please explain to me what their end game was? Did they think they were just going to retreat back into the tunnels and the tunnels would not be destroyed on top of them?

    Did they think after such wanton violence that Israel was going to stop just because Hamas uses human shields to draw sympathy to their cause, to trick well-meaning people into supporting terrorists?

    Nah, they can’t hide now. Every civilian in Gaza has been warned to get away from Hamas and get away from the tunnels. You’d think they would be trying to overthrow their captors and escape. But this is a source of pride for Hamas. They are honored If their family gets wiped out by an Israeli bomb, they celebrate it as martyrdom. They call on all “true Palestinians” not to evacuate and force people to stay behind.

    Isn’t it really Hamas killing those people? Didn’t Hamas have the last best chance to get civilians out of harm’s way?

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      Do you really think people opposed to genocide are Hamas supporters? Not very wise to black/white the narratives.

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        9 months ago

        I think there are a lot of useful idiots for Iran who hear the same three or four war crimes repeated as nauseum by the press, exaggerated by Hamas of course, and then they assume the worst about everything they see without checking the facts.

        Wasn’t that you that cited to me a video of Al Israa college being destroyed and even a journalists at the White House was insisting it showed a controlled demolition and implosion, and it absolutely did not show that? I think that happens over and over.

        People say “oh Israel blew up a building in the safe zone with no warning!” Well then it turns out there were actually multiple warnings and there was a Hamas commander inside surrounded by his family and friends. Bam, 100 civilians dead. Such atrocity, genocide! people then say. Really, it was Hamas that killed those people.

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          Wasn’t that you that cited to me a video of Al Israa college being destroyed and even a journalists at the White House was insisting it showed a controlled demolition and implosion, and it absolutely did not show that? I think that happens over and over.

          Check that last comment I wrote you about it. Turns out the IDF is basically saying it was a controlled explosion that they approved, alongside other controlled explosions. I think it’s on Times of Israel. I thought you read that kind of stuff.