Discussing people that you never met. Phenomena that you never observed. Stuff that you never saw, personally, with your own eyes.

Discussion without empiricism. Without grounding.

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    Are you talking about discussing an article no one read or like discussing the possibility of Bigfoot?

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      Discussing people that you never met. Phenomena that you never observed. Stuff that you never, personally, with your own eyes, saw.

      Discussion without empiricism.

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          And then there’s replies like this. Defending it.

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            What is your question though? Yes online forums exist, yes the information is often unempirical. But what is your question here? What is the “this” you are questionning yourself about? Are you asking why people debate each other? Why people are curious about subjects even though they are wrong? I just don’t get what you are trying to say here.

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              Here is my question.

              What is this conversation that I’m indicating here? What might you call it? What’s good, bad, strong, weak etc about it?

              If a conversation that is empirically grounded is called “science”, what is a conversation that is empirically ungrounded called?

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                A conversation, simply. There’s no requirements for having a discussion. That’s what we do, we speak to each other whether for good or bad.

                And just in case because I’m still not completely sure if you are actually asking something or just making a social comment on online media; The literal antonym to what you seem to describe would be a “subjective” or “speculative” discussion. There’s other antonyms but I’ll let you search those out to see which fits your need.

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                  My point is, this thing that we have here is unprecedented in its vast size and it’s profound disconnection from reality.

                  So no, not just “a conversation”.

                  A conversation where most of the talk refers to fantasy. Where any insanity can find a support group filled with the likeminded. Where the greatest powers are those that seek to manipulate us and control our attention. A dreamworld where matter is entertainment.

                  And everybody takes it so seriously.

                  If it was a person we’d put him in an asylum.

                  Yes, what is this thing?

                  If this were a fantasy novel we might call it a hell-realm filled with hungry hallucinating ghosts and promise-weaving succubi. Too much?

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                  Your naming it sheds little light.

                  What’s good, bad, strong and weak about it?

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      It isn’t a moral issue. It’s a quality of knowledge issue.

      On a scale of 1 to 10. 10 being informed conversation and 1 being pure fastasy. A conversation about a person amongst people who never actually met the person is at best quality=3.