All 10 of the largest U.S. meat and dairy companies have lobbied against environmental and climate policies, resisting climate regulations, including rules on greenhouse gases and emissions reporting. This is according to a study by New York University, which examined the political influence of the 10 largest meat and dairy companies in the United States.
Very dishonest click bait. Moderators should clean this stuff up in order to prevent redditification.
100% somehow equals 5%
So fight to fix that instead of helping Tyson throw small family farms into the meat grinder.
Nah I’d rather fight to end animal exploitation than help smaller exploiters not get gobbled up by the bigger exploiters.
That’s all I was looking for. An admission that this isn’t about the environment or about truth, and that you are 100% onboard with lying to get what you want.
You’re far more honest than most militant vegans I meet.
An admission that this isn’t about the environment or about truth, and that you are 100% onboard with lying to get what you want.
Sorry, where did I say any of that? I responded to someone making a sarcastic comment about the study only covering 5% of farms and it reminded me of a relevant statistic, so I shared.
Then you made a comment about how we should fight to fix farming so that smaller farms still have a chance, to which I replied that I don’t care about helping to save any farms that exploit animals.
Where, in any of that did I say that I do not care about the truth or that the environment isn’t a part of the reason I think that’s immoral to eat animals?
You’re far more honest than most militant vegans I meet.
Well, for one I’m not a militant vegan, I’m just a fuckin vegan person. For two, I don’t believe you meet that many militant vegans unless you’re intentionally seeking out interactions with vegans, in which case the fact that you characterize them as militant says less to me about them and more about how you probably made comments similar to the very antagonistic, mischaracterizing, lying comment you just made, attempting to misconstrue arguments because you have some sort of agenda against people who just wanna see less suffering in the world.
But hey, I know that for people like you, you just need reasons to hate vegans, so if pretending that I don’t care about truth or the environment helps you paint vegans as annoying bad people in your mind instead of actually considering the moral/ethical implications of your food, I’m happy to help.
Sorry, where did I say any of that?
After you acknowledged that big farms are in the process of regulatory capture in a way that’s causing phenomenal harm, you admitted that you don’t care about people maliciously grouping them with smalltime meat and dairy farmers because "Nah I’d rather fight to end animal exploitation than help smaller exploiters ". Your fucking words. You just called a lot of my best friends “exploiter” because you don’t like that they farms chickens to pay their bills. If you give a fuck about animals, stop spitting in people’s faces. It might surprise you, but we’re animals, too.
It doesn’t matter to you if small farmers are pro-environment or not. It works for you to put them in the same bucket as a completely unrelated class because you get to try to flush them all down at once for your own personal ethical reasons. And the ethics of everyone else? Well we are subhuman to you.
But hey, I know that for people like you, you just need reasons to hate vegans
Honestly, the only exploiters I know are big ag, and militant vegans. So yes, for “people like me” (as you’ve now categorized me with big evil businesses to), I do hate a certain category. But I don’t “hate vegans”. I won’t make the bad-faith move you just did. I don’t hate vegans. I hate when people try to hurt other people, lie and cheat, because they place non-vegans below the animals they fight to protect.
Not sure how it is clickbait - it’s just the headline is overstating the case by claiming 100%, when it should say 100% of the 10 largest companies - which are responsible for how much of the nation’s market of meat and dairy? If it’s like just about every other market, a few top players grab up most the market share and set the overall agenda.
Are they top 10 of dairy, meat, or both? What share of the market do they hold in each respective field, and combined fields? It’s pretty arbitrary for claiming 100% of. Would you consider the same concept acceptable elsewhere with different subject like…
100% of Rappers and Democrats voted for Kanye in 2020. Top 10 selling rappers and Democrats on Spotify voted for Kanye.
Obviously I made that up… but I think you’d consider it dishonest clickbait.
I did look around earlier and saw that the top 4 companies controlled more than 50% of the market…add in the other six, and that is only going to increase.
https://www.iatp.org/companies-dominating-market-farm-display-case
I agree, which is why we should have a problem with articles that pretend the rest of farmers are the same as them. It just helps them because nobody is left to side with small farms.
I mean, how about this. Did you know that many of the meat and dairy subsidies that people get up-in-arms about are paid as meat- or dairy-specific taxes by farmers, and only the bigger farms reap the benefit?
Those big farms profit from the fact that they and vegans have a common enemy… small meat/dairy farms.
How do you think that translates to Meat and Dairy market? I’d imagine adding more market, that 50% is going to shrink. Definitely makes that 100% in the title seem a lot click baitier
They are 100% of the 10 companies this investigation started with.
Not only is the headline dishonest, but the article tries to maintain the dishonest attitude of the headline. And then, the article doesn’t really talk about environment lobbying at all, it talks about why the author thinks people should be vegans.
I got news for you
100%
10 of the biggest
Always handy when a pop-sci article discredits itself without having to read it.
100% is 10 out of all the 10 companies they investigated.
Part of the investigation were all Meat and dairy companies which had lobbied against environmental protection bills in the past
So those who had lobbied continued to lobby? Shocking…
The article tries to make it sound like all meat and dairy companies are guilty, and then goes on to make claims about health risks of eating meat and claims about animal rights.
It’s not a meaningful argument about the environment, it’s propaganda.
I also wonder how many of them also lobbied in favor of similar policies. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s also 100% of them.
I know a lot of people are new here but this kind of shit should be moderated better… Link to the study, not someone’s blog
Agreed, this is a blog post from 3 days ago but all of the sources they link in the footer are from early 2021… nothing new here and this article is a biased mess.
That said, there’s nothing surprising here anyway, lobbying in the US is just bribery and corruption by another term and obviously these companies are going to do anything they can to defend their profits
I’m pretty sure this headline is impossible
Also, medium is a blog.
Came here to say this. I have a friend that’s a meat and dairy company, and she (yup, 1 person for-profit farm) doesn’t lobby for or against shit.
That gets us under 100% already.
From reading the sub heading out looks like they mean 100% of the top ten largest
They just wanted the click bait headline
Personally, I think the moment they decided to use that picture of a cow with the headline it stopped being clickbait and started being propaganda.
And there are two reasons I know this, and can back it up.
- Not once do they mention small farms in the article to correct the obvious misleading nature. People who know nothing about agriculture will conclude the same thing as the headline. When an article is clickbait, the body is very clear about the truth of things. That didn’t happen here. Because this is about willfully misleading readers to push them towards misinformed action.
- Most of the article has nothing to do with the environment or climate. Instead, it talks about animal rights, hokey diets that involve veganism to allegedly end diabetes, and how meat is supposedly bad for you.
In summary, it’s anti-meat smut that leans on the usual 3-legged gishgallop, staying quick and shallow enough on all 3 topics to not draw an objection from readers on any of them.
Added to the filter! See yha never medium!
Medium is a blog, however in this case the article cites the sources they used and is well argued.
If someone wants to make the argument that their sources don’t say what they argue they’re saying, I’m open to removing it, but it will be because the content is wrong, not because of who is hosting the content. :)
Sources cited:
Citations:
[1] https://www.pcrm.org/news/blog/us-meat-and-dairy-companies-spend-millions-lobbying-against-climate-legislation
[2] https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22379909/big-meat-companies-spend-millions-lobbying-climate u [3] https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02042021/meat-dairy-lobby-climate-action/
[4] https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2021/march/meat-and-dairy-companies-slow-to-commit-to-net-zero-emissions--n.html
[5] https://as.nyu.edu/content/dam/nyu-as/ceh/images/recent-news-images/The meat industry is doing exactly what Big Oil does to fight climate action - The Washington Post.pdf
[6] https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/big-meat-dairy-firms-act-collectively-to-lobby-against-climate-action-new-study-finds/
IDK why corporate lobbing is still legal, wtf outlaw it asap
It’s legal because the people who benefit from corporate lobbying are the same people who determine what is legal.
Ah, what you are missing is that the people who make those laws are the same ones being lobbied, and lobbying means giving money to them.
I don’t care about corporate lobbying because I think its useful. Lobbying is useful because its just keeping your issues to people who can do something about it.
What I don’t get is why regular people don’t organize and create their own lobby. I know wealthy individuals who do it to change things they don’t like.
They don’t stand in streets and burn energy screaming right before they get their heads caved in by police. You know what’s better, paying $5 into a pool and hiring a firm to develop research and a report that you can give to a lawyer who can start to bring it to representatives.
There’s a reason you never see wallstreet bankers or tobacco executives in the streets. Its not how anything gets done
You’re all down voting but you know lobbying is for anyone right. Check out the link below to see an example. Would you want to remove groups like this from bringing their cause forward. Lobbying itself isn’t bad. What is bad is that more people aren’t using it which leaves only the corrupt ones
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/05/abortion-rights-up-lobbying-with-roe-threatened/
It exists because it’s ridiculous to expect government to know about every industry’s ins and outs. Sometimes we benefit from lobbying as because some old law is affecting new processes or we need to support funding for something that we didn’t know about.
The issue is when shit is mundane and worthless like the topic op presented. Lobbying against climate policies just means you’re part of the problem. We understand enough to know the policies need to exist and it’s a waste of everyone’s time and money for these giant corps to lobby against them.
Furthermore, for a lot of issues, there are a select few people who have a big enough incentive to vote solely on one issue, and the rest of people don’t care because the harm is does to them is relatively diffuse.
You know that this can’t possibly be true, because most meat and dairy companies do not have a lobbying arm, right? Right in the first sentence it says it’s the top 10 largest, but let’s go ahead and put some bullshit in the headline anyway right?
disclaimer in 1pt font: *100% margin of error
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Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet… nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine… the people are fucked! Difference! The planet is fine! Compared to the people, THE PLANET IS DOING GREAT: Been here four and a half billion years! Do you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years, we’ve been here what? 100,000? Maybe 200,000? And we’ve only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over 200 years. 200 years versus four and a half billion and we have the conceit to think that somehow, we’re a threat? That somehow, we’re going to put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that’s just a-floatin’ around the sun? The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us: been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drifts, solar flares, sunspots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles, hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages, and we think some plastic bags and aluminum cans are going to make a difference?
The planet isn’t going anywhere… we are! We’re going away! Pack your shit folks! We’re going away and we won’t leave much of a trace either, thank God for that… maybe a little styrofoam… maybe… little styrofoam. The planet will be here, we’ll be long gone; just another failed mutation; just another closed-end biological mistake; an evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, a surface nuisance. You wanna know how the planet’s doing? Ask those people in Pompeii who are frozen into position from volcanic ash how the planet’s doing. Wanna know if the planet’s all right? Ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. How about those people in Kilauea, Hawaii who build their homes right next to an active volcano and then wonder why they have lava in the living room?
The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we’re gone and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself cause that’s what it does. It’s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm: The Earth plus Plastic. The Earth doesn’t share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the Earth! The Earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the Earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place: it wanted plastic for itself, didn’t know how to make it, needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old philosophical question: “Why are we here?” PLASTIC!!! ASSHOLES!!! -George Carlin
Yep, you’ve summed it up. Earth will indeed be here forever. The question is whether it will be habitable. And humans don’t seem to give a single care, as long as their life span will be over before the environment /climate poops out. And as long as they can take in money with no concern about their child, grandchildren, great-,grandchildren, and on down the line.
We can change this, we can mitigate the damage, but the powers that be refuse to acknowledge their negative impact on the future of the planet, they do not care…as long as they rake in the money.
I’ve got children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, and I CARE. Jesus Pete, how hard is it to see beyond the end of our own noses?
that doesn’t work
The vegan propaganda campaign is back at it again.
Back at what?
Stating uncomfortable facts about the world that people would otherwise gladly ignore.
You mean like the probably false article that started this discussion?
It’s clickbait but it’s also absolutely true. I get it’s easier for you to not do any research and continue to think it’s “probably false”.
My suggestion to you is instead of half-engaging, just fully close your eyes. Just continue living in your fantasy world and stop engaging with this kind of content, while the rest of us continue to try to solve these real issues.
And my suggestion to you is- read the other 50-100 or so comments where people provided factual rebuttals to this bullshit article.
Talk about fantasy worlds.
I’m going to block you now as I generally don’t entertain futile arguments with blowhard vegans.
If there was any actual evidence against it you would’ve said “false” and not “probably false”, but even in your own little make-believe world you couldn’t bring yourself to that point.
Sharing propaganda.
Yeah! Those filthy vegans trying to get people to quit killing animals and promoting less suffering! Fucking vegans!
Cool. Maybe you’ll get a bit further if you didn’t bullshit people. It’s disrespectful and insulting that you need to lie to get people to follow your bullshit.
No the real issue is you need to be told what’s the right thing to do.
Seems your issue is that you like to assume you have the authority to tell others how to live their lives.
You’re more than welcome to smell your own farts as much as you feel you need to- but if you think your smug bullshit has any sway here, you’re farting up the wrong tree.
If you can’t tell what’s morally correct then talk to your fucking mom and dad because they did a shit job of teaching you. It has nothing to do with being smug or thinking highly of myself. It’s that you lack the fucking basic functionality of thought to take information in, decide “hey this isn’t right” and then do something about it. I’m sorry you’re a piece of shit. I can’t help that.
ROFL… you’re why people hate vegans.
I don’t know if y’all know this but short term profits are much more important to rich old people that won’t see the earth they created for their grand kids.
Not at all biased when the article starts out with a likely out of context picture of a cow looking terrified and as if it’s crying. Fuck corporations, all of them, fuck them all, but there are a few of us with severe enough allergies that without meat we would starve. Ableist bullshit to believe everyone can stop eating meat.
Two words: lab-grown meat. That’s the only way for sustainable meat consumption.
what does sustainable mean?
So if experts in the field conceded that there is an unbreakable ceiling for lab-grown meat that it will never be as sustainable as organic meat, would that change your view?
Because the most efficient lab grown meat requires incubator technology that scales negatives; that is, you lose efficiency as you scale up, so you would need lots of small, prohibitively expensive, in a massive perfectly contaminant-free clean-room. Short of starting from scratch and discovering a completely new technique that has never been envisioned, lab-grown meat will always be worse for the environment and for sustainability than organic meat.
Some people don’t like this guy, but this is a fairly honest video on the problems with lab-grown meat.
If it ever becomes affordable I would love to see that and would certainly consider it. Until then…
Personification is a dangerous tool
I sincerely doubt that you can only eat meat…
That’s not what I said, but it’s what you wanted to hear. I wish your doubts could change the facts of my existence but they can’t . I said I would be severely limited and I am. I have a salicylate allergy so severe I can’t eat 90% of veggies. There are several other true allergies and then there are tested IgG sensitives to most grains and nuts. Congratulations, you’re an ableist and if there’s one thing I’m used to it’s ableists telling me what I should be able to do. Luckily extremist vegans will never achieve their goals.
What allergies do you have such that without meat you would starve if I may ask?
they don’t owe you their medical history and it’s creepy to ask.
It’s not creepy to ask a follow-up about information they volunteered in the first place.
what’s the name of the person who raised you that you don’t think that’s creepy?
… What?
No, if they bring it up in conversation respectful questions are fair game.
Hmm, okay… no is also fine. I have just not heard of any such conditions before. I Googled for it and asked ChatGPT, but got nothing.
I have a severe salicylate allergy to the point that 90% of veggies cause an allergic reaction for me. Aspirin tolerance therapy hasn’t been an option because of the severity of my allergy. I have several documented nut allergies, among other true food allergies to various foods from shellfish, other fish, bananas, sweet potatoes ( and their family), as well as mustard etc etc, and then an impressive list of IgG reactions (food intolerances) that cause immune response in my digestive system. Amongst them is most grains, nuts, milk, yogurt, some cheeses. Although I’m not allergic to MSG because it’s debated that’s even possible, I do have severe migraines w/ aura triggered by foods with high glutamates like textured vegetable protein, aside from salicylate content of those proteins. What to hear what my body things of nitrates? I used to be a guy who could roll around in poison ivy without breaking out and was allergic to almost nothing. Then my autoimmune disease started and my body went nuts. Granted I’m a vast minority of people, but I’d rather not lose any more foods.
Wow, I never had heard of salicylates. If you combine that with your other allergies that indeed leaves you with a very restricted diet. What I understand is that you could still survive on a vegan diet, but you’d be extremely limited in what you can eat and perhaps have a hard time meeting your daily requirements. Are supplements working for you? I understand your point of view. Thanks for sharing.
those are some upstanding humans you got there, U.S. meat and dairy.
stop hiding the humans behind ‘companies’. name freakin names of the bad peoples.
Ah water is indeed wet.
can’t help but think the cow in that image knows what’s up.
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I mean, we all know the memes, but there has to be like a nuanced take take on why this is the case, right? Is it literally the case that they just don’t give a goddamn about climate change and they’re just going to get theirs while they can and to hell with everything else? Because it’s going to be awful hard to keep your cows fed when climate change starts fucking up their feed crops, and we’re pretty much there right now, as far as I understand it.
The entire system relies on infinite growth in a finite world, trying to find logic in it is futile, never mind ethics…
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I mean, you’re probably right, but this sent me down a mental spiral that ended with “Oh boy, I can’t wait for my monthly US Communist Party ration of furry inflation porn.”
I don’t even like it, but I guess I could learn to live with it if it means stopping climate change.
Is it literally the case that they just don’t give a goddamn about climate change and they’re just going to get theirs while they can and to hell with everything else?
Yup, that’s my understanding. They probably aren’t full on deniers, they know it’s real, they just don’t want to do the hard work and take the pay cuts that will progress us forward into the future.
