• Julian@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    If only people could understand the basic concept that hating a government is possible without hating the people living there.

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      11 months ago

      Exactly. Hamas is a monstrous organization based on the most corrupted religious fundamentalism, but I have nothing but love for the people of Gaza.

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        11 months ago

        I know that Israel has been doing nothing but brutalizing Palestinians, but Hamas shot back a few times so they’re basically the same.

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          11 months ago

          I didn’t realize “doing nothing but brutalizing Palestinians” includes providing power and water to the gaza strip because the Palestinian leadership was too corrupt build power and water treatment plants with the numerous millions of dollars of international and Israeli aid earmarked for that purpose.

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            11 months ago

            My dude, Palestine has been attacked by terrorists and forced to split its country in two. It’s irellevant if the terrorists then went “here, have some money you poor fucks”. They still stole the land and homes of the people living there. They still are responsible for a mass exodus, and the destruction of a nation. They still killed millions to keep that land theirs.

            Don’t get it twisted. Their humanitarian efforts are not because they’re good people. They’re just so they can keep feigning legitimacy and moral superiority.

            But it seems the ship has sailed and everyone’s collective mind doesn’t go back before the 1990s, so I guess fuck Palestine, what a mean thing to do, how dare you bomb the terrorists that reside in your homes civilians.

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    11 months ago

    A reminder:

    Palestinians are awesome!

    The genocidal regime that rules over Gaza who murder innocent people while blocking Palestinian democracy is NOT AWESOME!

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      11 months ago

      What about all the Palestinians internationally that are currently celebrating that massacre?

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        11 months ago

        Probably the same as all the Jewish and Christian people internationally that celebrate and monetarily and militarily support the Israeli apartheid regime even as they would kill innocents, cut off water and supplies, and kill journalists. ESH.

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          11 months ago

          Palestinian citizens are given supplies by the IDF. I always found accusations of cutting supplies to citizens very uninformed.

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            11 months ago

            People also conveniently ignore that the Palestinians have been getting Israeli and international aid for decades that was supposed to go into building infrastructure like power plants and water treatment facilities. Instead the money went straight into the pockets of the Fatah/PLO and Israel up to this very day has been supplying power and water to Gaza and West Bank. The Palestinian leadership was corrupt as fuck.

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              https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/

              In November 1967 the Israeli authorities issued Military Order 158, which stated that Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain. Palestinians living under Israel’s military occupation continue to suffer the devastating consequences of this order until today. They are unable to drill new water wells, install pumps or deepen existing wells, in addition to being denied access to the Jordan River and fresh water springs. Israel even controls the collection of rain water throughout most of the West Bank, and rainwater harvesting cisterns owned by Palestinian communities are often destroyed by the Israeli army. As a result, some 180 Palestinian communities in rural areas in the occupied West Bank have no access to running water, according to OCHA. Even in towns and villages which are connected to the water network, the taps often run dry.

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              In Gaza, some 90-95 per cent of the water supply is contaminated and unfit for human consumption. Israel does not allow water to be transferred from the West Bank to Gaza, and Gaza’s only fresh water resource, the Coastal Aquifer, is insufficient for the needs of the population and is being increasingly depleted by over-extraction and contaminated by sewage and seawater infiltration.

              The resulting disparity in access to water between Israelis and Palestinians is truly staggering. Water consumption by Israelis is at least four times that of Palestinians living in the OPT. Palestinians consume on average 73 litres of water a day per person, which is well below the World Health Organization’s (WHO) recommended daily minimum of 100 litres per capita. In many herding communities in the West Bank, the water consumption for thousands of Palestinians is as low as 20 litres per person a day, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). By contrast, an average Israeli consumes approximately 300 litres of water a day.

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        Yeah those guys are on the side of the genocidal regime.

        Palestinian fascism… Hamas won the election with just a plurality of the vote then permanently suspended elections ever since. Same old story. Odd how it’s never talked about. I suppose Palestinian fascism complicates support for Palestine for the left so they pretend it isn’t a thing, while it also complicates the “them people are all terrorists” narrative ofr the right.

        It’s hard to determine the popularity of Hamas now (there has been an election in over a decade and a half) in the Palestinian population. There is obviously support of the genocidal maniacs in the Palestinian populace because of those celebrations. The people that support Hamas have either been duped by their propaganda or are just straight up evil, or both.

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        11 months ago

        Try being a Palestinian in Gaza and see how awesome and cool Israel is. Being pro gay doesn’t change who’s the oppressor and who is oppressed.

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        Mass genocide is OK as long as they’re homophobic.

        Because oppressing a people makes them more progressive and not less.

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        11 months ago

        We gay people must provide the palestinians with clean drinking water, and this will change hearts and minds 🏳️‍⚧️🙆‍♀️

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    10 months ago

    This image was reported as anti-semitic by the ADL, and the artist lost their job for insisting that war crimes are bad.

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    I agree in general, but what an image choice for the Jewish people. Hassidics are far far less awesome and far far more right wing themselves.

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      Yeah, it’s like picturing a Christian man wearing a maga hat, camo pants and a wifebeater he justifies the name of, surrounded by a fearfully obedient family. Like “Christian people are awesome!”

      Hasidics consider the average conservative “too liberal”.

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    haven’t they determined that most Israeli Jewish folk are genetically just european? like one of their ancestors chose to convert

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    The Palestinian people were screwed over when the Arab nations invaded Israel and lost badly. They need to make restitution by making Palestinians citizens.

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      Conflating Zionism and Judaism is anti-Semitism. Jewish people are overwhelmingly against the settler colonialist apartheid regime of Israel.

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    11 months ago

    Im seing a bunch of things about israel right now, im out of the loop on this. Can somebody fill me in on what (if anything) happened?

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      Hamas launched a whole bunch of rockets at Israeli civilians and killed many. Israel declared war as a result. Situation still ongoing

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        Dude, it’s a fucking ground invasion. They are murdering civilians in their homes and kidnapping Israeli citizens into the Gaza strip

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    In my opinion this is an “everyone sucks here” situation and no one knows how to approach it as a result.

    Maybe stop killing each other and take it from there? No? More rockets and human rights abuse? Yeah that’ll work…

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      Israel could start by ending apartheid and allowing the Palestinian people a modicum of dignity and representation in government, or let them have their own state.

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        11 months ago

        And failing that, the appropriate reaction from Hamas is to fire missiles at Israeli civlians? Fuck off.

        • Well given that Gaza is a defacto prison, they could also beg and pray, like they did for the last 40 years without effect. When you are faced with an opressive regime, there is only giving up or fighting. And it is not exactly like Hamas can build rockets with GPS or other sophisticated aiming systems like Israel or NATO can.

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            like they did for the last 40 years without effect.

            Have you seen even a single damn wiki article about this place, let alone read a book?

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            If the Palestinians lay down their arms the war is over. If the Israelis lay down their arms they’d get genocided. Hamas explicitly calls for death to the Jews and they have deliberately targeted civilian populations time and time again. Hamas doesn’t want a negotiated solution to the conflict, they want a Final Solution to the Jewish Question. There is one side here that can just stop the violence, and it’s not Israel.

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            Fight back by murdering and raping civilians? Do not forget Hamas does have a majority support according to most sources.

            Israel definitely has issues with Palestinian human rights violations but there’s a difference between throwing a family out of a house and razing it or shooting a kid that’s trying to storm a military outpost and dragging innocent civilians from a peace concert and raping and murdering them.

            Just look at what Hamas, again - an organization with majority support that does not keep any secrets around wanting to murder Jewish people, is doing and you might understand why Israel has been handling the entire situation with an iron fist. Now that iron fist will fall down and it will be innocent Palestinians suffering for Hamas’ crimes.

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          Yes that is exactly what you should do to a population which is illegally occupying you.