The U.K. paper confirmed it had removed the letter because of its sudden surge in popularity on TikTok and other social media sites.
Goddamn weirdo cowards. There’s no reason to remove cut & dry, factual information. It’s not like they posted the letter & had annotations, “We love this guy!! Yay!! Hooray, 9/11!” They were like this is from Osama, to America, here it is. There’s nothing for them to be ashamed of; it’s stupid that they are.
Meh, I would bet that the average Muslim or American person would probably not be too bothered
It’s a religious screed. Not a history paper.
It’s literally a part of history…
I think it was harm reduction, not shame.
I fell for the damage control talking point
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“The TikToks are from people of all ages, races, ethnicities, and backgrounds,” journalist Yashar Ali wrote on social media. “Many of them say that reading the letter has opened their eyes, and they’ll never see geopolitical matters the same way again. Many of them—and I have watched a lot—say it has made them reevaluate their perspective on how what is often labeled as terrorism can be a legitimate form of resistance to a hostile power.”
oh boy
This is why freedom of speech is so necessary.
Without it, one side will abuse censorship to promote their ideology.
Children think it’s fun when it’s their side doing the abuse, but love to cry when someone else is doing it.
Hypocrites. And I’m glad they don’t have much power.
Children think it’s fun when it’s their side doing the abuse, but love to cry when someone else is doing it.
I don’t understand why that is such a difficult concept for people to grasp.
Oh no. How terrible. Perspective is such a horrible thing to gain. /s
(2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.
(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s, and trading with interest.
“We hate your way of life and your support of Israel.”
I mean, it’s the same as the Gaza conflict. People support protecting the abuse of innocent people, but recognize that Sharia law is a load of bullshit.
It’s possible, now stay with me. It’s at least possible some of what this guy said is good, even though most of it is bad. Right? It’s at least… possible?
Part a sounds like it could’ve instead been written by a Christian extremist. Whoever writes stuff like this can get fucked.
Still, understanding someone’s perspective can be helpful. Of course you can understand it without agreeing with it. The more perspectives you get, the more you can look at your own and re-evaluate it. Learning more about history helps a lot, too.
Like, it is quite clear that the US and UK have done plenty of fucking around in the Middle East for the past century and keep finding out, as a result. Bin Laden’s terrorism, this mess with Gaza, and the Iranian hostage crisis are examples.
I found the first half of the letter very eye opening and the second half absolutely insane, so hopefully other people either have some reasoning skills or are at least too lazy to read the whole thing.
(b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:
(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator.
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Where’s the astronaut holding the gun meme when you need it?
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Yeah, I mean he eloquently explained why it is totally fine if Israel would kill all Palestinians, since they voted Hamas in as their Government and are therefore directly responsible for their deeds in his opinion.
Really? Half of Gaza is under 18.
Wait sorry I don’t get the argument here.
This is why people think Jews control the media.
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Me too. If only he had copy pasta’d the Communist Manifesto.
Same. It seems on par with the 2025 Project and that’s still up everywhere.
ALink to the letter if you want to read it.
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Man was going strong until he blamed them pesky Jews
Well, sorta, it does call for a totalitarian theocratic state pretty early on, and justifies the possession of Palestine on the basis of military conquest, which is how it was taken. So, “your religious state is intolerable and only we get to take territory by force; when you do it it’s not halal.”
I like the don’t trade with interest thing. The rest is just typical theocratic bullshit.
Islam gets around this the same way they get around no sex before marriage. With a bullshit workaround that god is totally cool with because it follows the letter but not the spirit. You can marry someone for an hour and then divorce them. Totally halal prostitution.
A loan with interest these days for 1 million USD at 6% interest over 20 years will have you end up paying 2.5Million for that 1 Million house. It’s bullshit but it is a system that somewhat works. If interest goes up you pay more, interest go down you pay less unless you have locked in at a fixed rent.
In Islam the banks still want to make money of course so they just pre calculate this and call it a fee. It ends up being interest, baked in at a fixed price.
This is an islamic teaching too
It’s also in the Old Testament. Although the bankers bought off enough of the clergy to water it down. Cudos to the Muslims on keeping theirs intact!
That’s deep. Have an upvote.
That’s deep. Have an upvote.
I don’t know if it’s an ad blocker thing, but the link takes you to a page with the title and no content.
? I’ll sum it up for you. Religion, religion, antisemitism, uncomfortable truths about America framed in religion, more antisemitism, religion.
It reads like a typical American baptist priest. Sprinkled with far right jew hating ideology “da jooos control this and that.” But I understand his grievances and why he blames the American people for government decisions.
I mean this could be a long boomer rant on Facebook but replace america with China.
That’s how they get you. People expect to be disgusted by every word, and then are positively surprised if it’s “just” every 3rd sentence.
So another Streisand effect.
This reminds me of those hitler quotes that people were duped into agreeing with and then being told it was said by hitler.
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Despite the fact that bin Laden is a stupid terrorist that should be removed, I don’t believe in any form of censorship and don’t see why it cannot be published.
Though some people can be stupid enough to start supporting terrorism afterwards…
Though some people can be stupid enough to start supporting terrorism afterwards…
I used to think the same thing. Then my company got United Healthcare Insurance. Now I’m questioning. Would I have been angry if Osama had attacked their board of directors? I’m not so sure.
Evil conveniently never harms other evil things.
I swear not a single (primary) country leader died during covid. Even fat kim jong-un somehow made it out alive. Granted it wasn’t a particularly lethal virus, but man it would have been satisfying to see some dictators kick the bucket.
A virus cannot be evil, a virus is just a virus. But, I get your sentiment.
How many primary country leaders are there?
Here’s a list of notable people, mostly politicians, that died of covid. It’s quite long.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_due_to_COVID-19
Just look at the ages as you scroll down. They’re mostly all 70 plus, people that age are looking for an excuse to die.
Odd how I’ve lost so many friends (in the mutiples of 10, dont care to count exactly)to an opiod crisis not worth doing anything effective about, but they blew the entire economy over a cold that hasn’t killed anyone I know in 4 provinces and 3 states (was a trucker, know people everywhere, lived in 3 provinces and one state). tHats aNEcdoTAl tHoUgH
I’m sorry you’ve lost so many friends.
It fucking sucks. Yeah I used to like to party, but backed the hell off in like 2016 when it became clear everything was tainted. Been watching my old friends that wouldn’t/couldn’t, die ever since.
I don’t believe in any form of censorship
You don’t believe CSAM should be reported and removed from websites?
Cuz thats censorship as well.
What I meant is censorship in terms of opinions on topics. We should be presented with both sides imo
I should have written it in a clearer manner
There is no “both sides”, there is an infinite amount of opinions and perspectives on one thing: reality. Not all of those opinions are worth engaging with or deserve a platform.
Though in this case with the letter it’s historically significant and I find their reasoning kind of pathetic, so I agree with you here.
I think they’ve taken it down merely because The Guardian doesn’t want to be associated with the dumbfuck lemmites et al. who will read it and think “This Osama is a swell guy”
This reminds me of something I did around the time of 9/11.
I had read an interview with Bin Laden on the CNN website and could not find it there the next day. Whoever or however it happens, I’m pretty sure our government censored anything that might be remotely sympathetic to the “bad guys”.
I’m glad this is more obvious now with everything being on the www. But this shows that the censorship has not stopped.
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Why doesn’t Wikipedia have it?
Web archive link… if you’re curious
Yeah I went to check and Wikipedia is linking the wayback machine’s version of the guardian article. Fair enough.
Why does the media censor anything that’s critical of Israel?
Money
